Jonathan: If you ask the average person on the street, “What does it mean to live a good life?” what are the first three words that pop up?
Mark: Success, happiness, security.
Jonathan: Of those three, what do you think is real, and what do you think is total illusion? Or where on the spectrum are they between “this is legit” versus “this is a complete fallacy that we tell ourselves”?
Mark: I think success is 90% fallacy, but not because it’s not important. It’s because it’s all in our heads. We decide what success is. A lot of what people perceive as having a good, successful life is just this illusion that they’re chasing in their minds.
Love, happiness is fundamentally important, maybe the most important. Health and security is a bare minimum. It’s—
Jonathan: The bottom of Maslow’s hierarchy?
Mark: If you don’t have it, nothing else matters. But if you have it, it’s necessary but not sufficient in and of itself.